Posts by Triple A

28

New World Translation Vs. Kingdom Interlinear Translation ... your thoughts

by Ianone in

8: 58 footnote 1985 ed kit blue (01).

8: 58 footnote 1969 ed kit purple (02).

jesus, himself tells us just how important it is.

Triple A

In the 1950 NWT of the Christian Greek Scriptures the Watchtower "translators" claimed John 8:58 was in the "perfect indefinite tense".
Actually, that expression did NOT refer to any Greek verbal tense, as it does not exist, but it did refer to the English verbal tense, so that accusation is a widespread misunderstanding and not true. The text in the footnote did not clear enough indicate they were speaking about the translation into English and not about the original Greek tense.

My problem with this defense is: If it were true, why did the WTS change their stand on the tense twice. If it did refered to the English verbal tense, which I have not been able to find where there is a perfect indefinite tense in English, why didn't they explain it than or anytime in between and stick with their original exclaimation with the new light of it being English verb tense not Greek?

8

Do you have to be Anointed to be called a Jehovah's Witness?

by Triple A in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/85344/1.ashx

in the above thread i said, ?to truely call yourself a jehovah's witness, you have to be one of the 144,000 (anointed).

truthfully you can only truely be a champion or associate.

Triple A

Ran across this statement made in the Watchtower August 15, 1934 page 249.

"All who have taken their stand on the side of Jehovah must abide in his organization under Christ, if they would live. There is no exception to this rule.. The name 'Jehovah's witnesses' applies specifically to God's anointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for Jehovah, and these alone bear the new name.. The official organization of Jehovah on earth consists of his anointed remnant, and the Jonadabs who walk with the anointed are to be taught, but not to be leaders."

I understand that this is not an open teaching today, but I wonder how the average Jehovah's Witness knocking at the door would deal with this if confronted with it.

12

Can anyone provide information about the voting change

by Triple A in

no longer can they hide things such as their hypocritical un involvement, policy changes on voting because they lost a law suit in france or trying to keep their image clean by keeping pedophile issues hidden in local kingdom hall closets.

the above quote was made by seven006 in a well written thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78991/1.ashx).

can anyone inlightten me as to when the policy on voting occured, what the change was, and did it reach beyond the borders of france.

Triple A

Thanks for the input.

It sounds to like the Society statement is one to appease governments, courts of law, and uninitiated; however, for those within there is no change and you can not vote. Would that be correct?

12

Can anyone provide information about the voting change

by Triple A in

no longer can they hide things such as their hypocritical un involvement, policy changes on voting because they lost a law suit in france or trying to keep their image clean by keeping pedophile issues hidden in local kingdom hall closets.

the above quote was made by seven006 in a well written thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78991/1.ashx).

can anyone inlightten me as to when the policy on voting occured, what the change was, and did it reach beyond the borders of france.

Triple A

No longer can they hide things such as their hypocritical UN involvement, policy changes on voting because they lost a law suit in France or trying to keep their IMAGE clean by keeping pedophile issues hidden in local kingdom hall closets.

The above quote was made by seven006 in a well written thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78991/1.ashx). Can anyone inlightten me as to when the policy on voting occured, what the change was, and did it reach beyond the borders of France. Anything else would be appreaciated.

17

A possible way to get JWs info w/out incriminating oneself?

by ithinkisee in

jw
friends

i have an idea on how to get information in a way that won't get you identified ... i wanted to put it to this forum for scrutiny before i actually put it into practice.

i am on several people's jw spam list.

.meaning they constantly send me the same things that go around in other circles, like the "send this to five friends" or they send the scriptures for the week's book study, or they send a "jws in the news" article or something like that.

Triple A

What you need to do is find out how to ghost an email address. Pick the highest ranking JW email address and send it by ghosting their address. That way it looks like it is coming from that person.

8

Do you have to be Anointed to be called a Jehovah's Witness?

by Triple A in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/85344/1.ashx

in the above thread i said, ?to truely call yourself a jehovah's witness, you have to be one of the 144,000 (anointed).

truthfully you can only truely be a champion or associate.

Triple A

Thank you for the input. The doctrine that only the Anointed are JW is evidently not taught today. But I still wonder if the GB does not believe it. If the GB does, it would help explain why it is okay for them to lie to the other sheep.

24

Looking to Convert...

by swyven in

i'm not currently a jehovah's witness, although maybe i am (?).

my father was a devout jehovah's witness, and he intended on indoctrinating me in the faith as i grew up...however, my mother took me away from him when i was 4 years old, and i haven't been able to find him since (i contacted the main hq in new york, but he couldn't be found anywhere).

i have read numerous books and articles which i've got from the watchtower store, and have read this website, www.watchtower.org and been involved in the yahoo!

Triple A

AshtonCA, I started another thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/85479/1.ashx to aswer your question. Triple A

8

Do you have to be Anointed to be called a Jehovah's Witness?

by Triple A in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/85344/1.ashx

in the above thread i said, ?to truely call yourself a jehovah's witness, you have to be one of the 144,000 (anointed).

truthfully you can only truely be a champion or associate.

Triple A

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/85344/1.ashx
In the above thread I said,

?To truely call yourself a Jehovah's Witness, you have to be one of the 144,000 (Anointed). Truthfully you can only truely be a champion or associate. But this is not enforced and the great crowd is allowed to say they are a Jehovah's Witness.
By the way to be truely one of the 144,000, you should have been baptized before 1935.?

AshtonCA called me on the carpet,

?This wasn't the way it was when I was in about 10 years ago, you were one of JW's if you were baptized, that's why they ask you the question about if you accept that you are now one when you get baptized. Being anointed or not, if you were not baptized at any time in your life, then you are not one of JW's.

Well I should have said that it is my theory that you have to be one of the Anointed to be technically called a Jehovah?s Witness. Is it enforced today? No. But is it still a belief of the GB?

While researching the WTS I kept getting this nagging feeling that to truly or technically, according to the Society, be called a Jehovah?s Witness you had to be one of the Anointed. Recently I read Edmond C. Gruss?s book, ?The Four Presidents of the Watch Tower Society (Jehovah?s Witnesses)? I became convinced of this. I also believe it answers another question of mine and that is why is it okay for the Anointed to lie to the Great Crowd?

On page 28 the second para. Gruss says, ?It was this man-made ?organization? that henceforth occupied the position of ?the faithful and wise servant.? Than as now, it consists only of the ?remanant.? 25 The

24

Looking to Convert...

by swyven in

i'm not currently a jehovah's witness, although maybe i am (?).

my father was a devout jehovah's witness, and he intended on indoctrinating me in the faith as i grew up...however, my mother took me away from him when i was 4 years old, and i haven't been able to find him since (i contacted the main hq in new york, but he couldn't be found anywhere).

i have read numerous books and articles which i've got from the watchtower store, and have read this website, www.watchtower.org and been involved in the yahoo!

Triple A

Welcome,

To truely call yourself a Jehovah's Witness, you have to be one of the 144,000 (Annioted). Truthfully you can only truely be a champion or associate. But this is not enforced and the great crowd is allowed to say they are a Jehovah's Witness.

By the way to be truely one of the 144,000, you should have been baptized before 1935.

Research, Research, Research before you make a final decision.

28

Do you feel that "all" Christian denomnations should be "abolished"?

by booker-t in

jw
friends

i ask this question because my "atheist" friend the other day told me that he is much mentally free now since he left christianity.

he told me that "all" christians that he comes into contact with or knows from his religious lifetime are "miserable" and that the govt should abolish all christian groups for the sake of perserving the mental health of the people.

christians never are satisfied with their lives because they are trying to measure up to "jesus" and the apostles and will never measure up which causes many nervous breakdowns among religious people of all christian groups not just jw or mormons but many born-agains have mental breakdown as well.

Triple A

I agree with LittleToe, I am diffenently not miserable.

Christians never are satisfied with their lives because they are trying to measure up

We are taught that we will continue to fall short, but to do our best. That God still loves us.

why can't you just go to a christian church without the minister trying to force you to give money all the time?

I fyou consider passing the collection plate being forced than maybe you are write. But I have never been asked to contribute more than I already have. In 51 years I may have heard 20 sermons on contributions/tithing and usually it is part of something else. Not a jam it down your throat type of sermon.

Most of the minister of today's churches drive around in fancy cars and live in big homes

Until resently our pastor drove around in an old Honda Civic. Nobody would ride with him. Now he drives an SUV that doe not have any frills. His house is average for the area and the nicities he did himself.

My friend said that he went to a church one Sunday in Jeans and a shirt and the Pastor complained to him that he was being disrespectful for not having on a Sunday suit.

If your friend lives close enough to go to church in the San Diego area, have him PM me. We are switching churches and in both you will find suits; however, you will jeans and Aloha shirts. My wife has not worn a skirt to church in years.

Christians are always condemning gays and lesbians to hell but would God really want a gay person to "act" straight just to get to heaven?

We condemn the act of homosexuality. No one has been able to show me that gay acts are Biblical. But we believe that all are creatures of God and we need to love and support all. Personally, I think your freind is looking for the worst. He/she is not going with open eyes, just seeing what they wish to see. It is like the canned response of, "I have looked at all the religions and found them confusing." When in truth they never looked past what they wanted to see and hear.